1979 Fender Princeton
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1979 Fender Princeton
Birth year amp for me. I was thinking it would make a nice desktop amp that I could turn up a little louder than my big 12" amps and combos. From what I understand, these have less gain than a Princeton Reverb because it doesn't have the two gain stages. I am hoping it has a little natural overdrive. The seller says it does. If not, I always have my overdrive pedals. It is all stock except a three prong plug. I am going to get it in to have the cap can and electrolytics replaced. Looks pretty clean overall.
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Amp came today and I am a little disappointed. Two of the knobs have broken pieces, some of the metal pieces are more tarnished than I was lead to believe by the pictures, the back tube cover is bowed in, the three prong cable has a weird taped up end, and the speaker has a rip in it that makes a buzzing noise when turned up. It sounds ok, but it is hard to judge with the speaker rip. The tremolo is actually pretty weak sounding. The knobs I can replaced I suppose and the metal parts are just cosmetic as is the back piece. What are your guys thoughts? I paid $850 including shipping. It was described as in "Excellent" condition.
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Just dropped it off to be worked on at Velvetone. He said he can repair the little hole no biggie and will work on the rest of the stuff. One of the electrolytics had actually burst and one resistor so far was toast. He will replace the three prong with one not spliced, new knobs, repair the speaker, new cap can, new electrolytics, bias it, test all the other resistors and such to make sure they are within spec, clean the amp, glue some of the loose tolex, etc. Jeff is really attention and detail oriented so I know he will do a great job getting it all sorted out.
I was kind of put off by the seller trying to tell me things like "the amp turns on, so the power cable is fine" and "the amp sounded fine to me, I didn't think there was a speaker issue." Being fine and being done well/correct aren't the same really. (At least not to me.) Inside one of the electrolytics had actually popped. I am betting the seller never looked inside or he wouldn't have listed it as excellent.
The refund will cover the repair work so it should be ok. I will have to pay for the electrolytics and cap can, but I was going to do that anyways.
To be honest, I wasn't looking forward to boxing it up and having to drop it off to send back, but I didn't want to take a big money hit either. I think it was a fair compromise and the amp will be great when it is done. I could always buy a Weber speaker if I don't like the repaired stock one, but I trust Jeff and he thinks it will be great so I will wait and see. Changing the speaker isn't a huge deal to me. There are two other ones for sale on Ebay right now if I wanted to pick one up. These aren't the ones people tend to lust over. Not like they are those awesome Oxfords like in the Princeton Reverbs that go for huge cash.
I am excited to hear the sound difference when it is finished. Should be quite different considering the issues we saw inside.
I was kind of put off by the seller trying to tell me things like "the amp turns on, so the power cable is fine" and "the amp sounded fine to me, I didn't think there was a speaker issue." Being fine and being done well/correct aren't the same really. (At least not to me.) Inside one of the electrolytics had actually popped. I am betting the seller never looked inside or he wouldn't have listed it as excellent.
The refund will cover the repair work so it should be ok. I will have to pay for the electrolytics and cap can, but I was going to do that anyways.
To be honest, I wasn't looking forward to boxing it up and having to drop it off to send back, but I didn't want to take a big money hit either. I think it was a fair compromise and the amp will be great when it is done. I could always buy a Weber speaker if I don't like the repaired stock one, but I trust Jeff and he thinks it will be great so I will wait and see. Changing the speaker isn't a huge deal to me. There are two other ones for sale on Ebay right now if I wanted to pick one up. These aren't the ones people tend to lust over. Not like they are those awesome Oxfords like in the Princeton Reverbs that go for huge cash.
I am excited to hear the sound difference when it is finished. Should be quite different considering the issues we saw inside.
I hope that all works out for you. However, I don't like people being deceptive when selling me something especially when there's a high amount of money involved and also the fact its vintage. He should have definitely been more up front about these issues and adjusted the price accordingly. I Don't understand the sellers logic, guitar noobs aren't in the market for these amps. Definitely more experienced players are more likely going to buy them and will notice the differences.
How were his ratings?
How were his ratings?
Bertram Rose
The only thing I was expecting to repair was the electrolytics which isn't a repair, but a maintenance thing. In the end, I think I will be happy with it. I paid $750 for it and the partial refund covers most of the updating and repair. Not the best transaction I have had online, but I have had worse.
Like when I got my Champ that had a broken and spray-painted grill cloth and dead speaker. I made a new grill cloth frame and covered it and got a nice Weber speaker and now it is baddass. I guess I have a soft spot for stuff that needs to be fixed. Probably the modder in me.
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The work is all done and the amp is home. I ended up putting a Jensen C10Q in it. The stock speaker (even repaired) was too ice pickey for me. There were other mods done along with the repair work. Here is the list.
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New gut shot with the new can, capacitors, and a couple resistors.
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New speaker.
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All done!
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New gut shot with the new can, capacitors, and a couple resistors.
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New speaker.
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All done!
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Played it today just now for about an hour and tried all my different usual effects. (OP Amp Muff, Robot Devil, Total Spack Vibes, Menatone's The King, and DOD Gunslinger with and without my new Boss '63 Reverb pedal) It sounds great! I use it with volume at three, treble at 6.5, bass at 10, and normally tremolo off. It is exactly what I was hoping for. Not as loud as my big amps where I can only play them between 1 and 2 volume and not as trebly as my Champ can be because of the smaller speaker. I only used my Jazzy with the Novak WRHB pickups so far, but it sounds just like I hoped it would. Very happy. It is also pretty quiet considering it is right next to my computer and PS4.
My geeky setup.
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My geeky setup.
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