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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 3:33 pm    Post subject: Vintage franken-build or salvage - Mustang Reply with quote

Hi all,

New to the forum. I go by howdo because some peeps once noticed I seem to say "how do" much more often than "Hello, how are you".
I get paid to play drums, but I also started learning guitar really early on. So guitar (as a player) is a hobby thing for me. Collecting, and a serious respect for all things "vintage", is where I am coming from on my latest project.

No photos yet, some parts are in transit, etc.

Currently I have a Mustang neck 24" 8Nov1965B, large peghead, trans logo, slab rw...and a 1974 Daphne blue MM body.
I have found a parts dealer to do some trading with. Trading my MM body for a Mustang body from early 66.
Got most of the parts and electronics sorted. Having a hard time finding just the bridge...an original anyways.

Very excited about this guitar. It's only my second salvage.
My first was a 1964 Daphne Musicmaster24" that I found in an antique store 15 years ago.

will share some pics of the Mustang soon.
Is this place like all forums...host photos elsewhere...post the link here?

Cheers...and thanks for welcoming me to the forum.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apologies for the triple post...please delete.
Thanks.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nah just put [img] in front of your link and close it with one of these [/img]

Sounds like a good project though. Old mustangs and duos are awesome!
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, welcome howdo. Not much advice on Mustangs, sorry, nearest I come is that I have a '66 A shortscale Mustang neck that someone cut the scroll off and attached to a butchered Bass V body, called the resultant lash-up a Swinger.

You probably found as long as you get in before anyone else replies you can delete your own posts. westtexasred does it all the time if people don't reply to his posts quickly. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would love to see some photos of that Daphne MM

Host photos on photobucket and link to this thread using the [img]link[/img] function that Josh described

Oh and welcome!!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 3:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like this?

[img]https://500px.com/photo/118873875/74mmfr-by-howdo3313[/img]
[img]https://500px.com/photo/118873869/74mmbk-by-howdo3313[/img]
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope...that didn't work...hmm...
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe...like this.




HaHa!!!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote





The tuners are offshore...screws a bit stripped. Easy enough fix:)
Does anyone still stagger their tuners instead of using a tree?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a real ad...happening now(not mine). It cracks me up every time I see it.
I'd like to share it with all of you. A gift for short scale.org


http://www.kijiji.ca/v-guitare/ouest-de-lile-qc/fender-stratocaster-guitars/1090606212?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, man!!
Also; looks like you have some cool material to work with. Interesting to see that they used metal buttons, my Swinger has plastic-button tuners.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Far as I know it should have plastic buttons. Sort of a hexagon shape, right?
The ones on my neck are cheapies...no single line name, let alone a double line name.lol
The neck came to me with them on it.
I'll replace them eventually. Most likely small round plastic button Klusons. Not a big fan of the "F" tuner.

The Daphne body is gone...she's packed away in a box and enroute to upstate New York.

Coming back my way, over the next week or so:
1966 Black refin' (done in 70's was white orig)Mustang body w/ orig tort guard, pots, and wiring, etc.
And it's original neck plate.
No pickups, no bridge, no trem arm.
The trem assembly so far is the only piece "not really correct" to the rest. It's a Pat No. version from 1967.
But it'll work in a pinch. Hope to find a "Pat Pending" one day.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oval, but plastic
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

howdo3313 wrote:
Far as I know it should have plastic buttons. Sort of a hexagon shape, right?


we call them "F Keys"

If they are oval we call them "Klusons"

Klusons come in 2 varieties, single and double line.



F Key


Single Line Kluson


Double Line Kluson
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fendermustangstory says
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The 1965-1966 Fender Mustang

A couple of things changed in late 1965 to early 1966. The biggest change was the enlargement of the headstock, in line with the BIG HEADSTOCK found on other Fender guitars of the time. The tuners also changed to "F-keys" with sort of square-ish white plastic pegs. The neck plate changes to "F-series" plates. The pickup's base plate changes to gray color. An additional patent number appears on the Headstock. So, to summarize the changes:

Large headstock
F-key tuners with white plastic squarish knobs
F-series neck plate
Single coil pickups with gray base plate
Headstock numbers: DES. 186,826 PAT. 2,960,900 2,741,146 3,143,028 2,817,261 & PAT. PEND.

This leaves me wondering why a '69-assembled guitar (Swinger) with a '66 date-stamped neck uses Klusons.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did I just get Robroe'd?
Awesome:)

You're a funny dude. I like you.

Me love some plastic button klusons...and metal.
Not so much on F tuners...plastic or metal.
But thas just my sense of 2Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice Swinger, NickS.
I thought those things been around longer than 69...I'm searching and I dunno.
I swore I remembered seeing a photo somewhere(around 66/67) of (3) swingers...done the same as the old Mustang and MM photos where the red white and daphne are all together.

Did the swinger go by a different name? Was there an "oddity" or "prototype" that ended up "swinger" at the end of the 60's?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The short version:
Cobbled together in '69 to use up surplus stock; Bass V body with the rear scooped out to lose the through-body string holes, routed for neck pickup and the upper horn cut short; shortscale MM/Duo or Mustang necks carved to a pointy shape (like Series 1 Starcaster by Fender Strats).

Around 200-300 made is the estimate I've heard. You'll see them advertised as '66 or whatever based on the neck date-stamp. Serial number plates are apparently also inconclusive around that era as they were just pulled out of a bin.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:FenderSwinger_02.JPG shows the Bass V routing and original CAR finish. Sorry about the butchery, it was a cheap guitar when I bought it.

Didn't mean to hijack your thread....
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From this blog:

http://guitarz.blogspot.ca/2011/05/fender-swinger-look-under-hood.html

Says there were about 300 made...from older leftover stock.
The one in his blog...the body was routed to be a Fender V five string bass.
He doesn't say about neck dates.

That thinking goes in line with Fender sales kinda going down the shit in 66/67.
All the strat and tele guys were poo-pooing CBS...so I'm sure Fender saw the merit in aiming to sell lotsa "student model" guitars.
And the smart $$$ has a few models on the cheap, not just one...as they did those years.
They probably would have made a lot of necks and bodies those years...the 24 & 22's for MM, Duos, 'Stangs, bronco, etc.
By 68 with Hendrix well ingrained, the sales came back up again...and Fender could start to mess about with all the 24/22 guitars.
Competition colours...shapes, etcetera, etcetera.

I could see the possible probability of your neck being made in 66. Only 3 years away from 69. Not a lot of time really.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like you and I are of similar brians is morning.lol

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