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Choosing between lightweight gear or perfect sound?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OH GOD JESUS FUCK


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was all about portable gear until I bought one of these. Not enourmous, but heavy as shit. I can't imagine playing through another amp.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2015 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nick wrote:
I feel like there's a lot of overcompensation for talent when it comes to many bands on the local level, or at the very least, throwing money at problems that don't exist yet. With so many options out there now, many more affordable than ever, there is really no excuse to torture yourself with heavy gear in the name of your stupid tone that only you care about.

Heh, I've actually felt kind of embarrassed playing shows at times, because my gear outshines my talent. I'm not a great musician by any stretch of the imagination, any of you guys here can play circles around me... but I have what I'd consider pretty good gear, and I think it sounds fantastic. I've felt unworthy of playing the stuff I've bought Razz

The gist of that entire post is pretty spot on though. Play what works, the audience isn't going to notice if you're playing a '56 Les Paul Gold Top through a vintage Marshall, or a new Epiphone through a Peavey... the only ones that will will be the other musicians in the band, and I basically guarantee that they're noticing the differences visually, not by sound.

There's something to be said for being blown away by a good performer/musician playing entry level gear too. Some of my favourite performers have, until very recently, played Squiers and Epiphones through fairly cheap amps... and I've loved every second of it.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kevin Shields says all of you can fuck right off:

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But seriously smaller is best

My next amp is going to be a Deluxe Reverb, Princeton, JTM 30 combo, or JC-77

I need to do an Fender vs Marshall vs Roland with my new set up...
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd go Roland or vintage fender if you can.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd check out the vintage cube's as well. They're a bit less sterile sounding than the jc series, not entirely sure why as they have the same basic preamp but they sound really different. I've been using the one I got recently for all my gigs and it's epic, works for jazz, funk and rock brilliantly.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just get one of those Smokey amps and a DS-1, you'd have all the sounds you'd need.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

singlepup wrote:
Kevin Shields says all of you can fuck right off:

somehow doubt Kevin Shields loads all those amps up on stage every gig. Of course if you're at the level where you can have roadies throw out their backs so you don't have to (and also not ride in a passenger van with your amp in your lap), then do whatever you want. And again, this still falls under the category of posturing over outdated rock and roll mojo conventions instead of actual live tone. That might have been necessary for filling a stadium with sound in the 70s but not anymore. But it's still what gearhound musicians and general concert goers want to see.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i saw a SUPER6 combo in a shop that was cut in half, with 1x15" in it.


it blew my fucking mind

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nick wrote:
And again, this still falls under the category of posturing over outdated rock and roll mojo conventions instead of actual live tone. That might have been necessary for filling a stadium with sound in the 70s but not anymore. But it's still what gearhound musicians and general concert goers want to see.


I remember working a Machine Head gig. Very loud soundcheck.

They had I think four Marshall stacks per guitarist and two stacks of something or other for the bassist. Two of each guitarists stacks were pointed 90 degrees inwards near the front of the stage, as though they were monitors, creating something like a room of amps of the stage.

I don't think any of them were dummies from memory. Their gear was silly (lots of vintage SGs too, all with EMG 81/85 sets in them so they all sounded identical. Chatted to a slightly unhappy guitar tech about this).

This was fine, because they were the headliners and that's fair enough.

It being a metal gig, everyone had silly rigs. So the support acts also had too many stacks.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nick wrote:
somehow doubt Kevin Shields loads all those amps up on stage every gig.


Yeah for sure... KS has a troupe of roadies. Was just inspired by Watts' amazing poasts. Wanted next level.


Josh wrote:
I'd go Roland or vintage fender if you can.


Gabriel wrote:
I'd check out the vintage cube's as well.


Roland wins for price, weight, and reliability. However, I'm tempted to just get another Fender, maybe Rivera era.

The only reason I bring up the Marshall JTM is I've been using a Marshall ampsim (BIAS) and am liking the clean tones... but that's crazy talk. I can't base an amp purchase on an ampsim.
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