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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 9:40 pm    Post subject: NGD: 93-94 CIJ Stratocaster XII Reply with quote

arrived today, sorry about the bad photos. this top picture is how it is currently configured and the best it can be at the moment (see below)- the pickguard is woeful:





when it arrived it looked like the interior of a Jaguar Sovereign, chrome knobs, black pickup covers etc. terrible.



alas, i tried to get my alu gold guard on it but the neck pocket is ever so slightly wider than normal, and the neck just will not fit. the awful tort guard has been chopped slightly to allow the neck to fit.



i even tried my spare mint guard



and neither fit. i will endeavour to file one of them down as the guard it came with is terrible. excitement sadly got the better of me so i reassembled it to have a play.

innards

the pickups gave me a chill because they look like the shit ones that come with affinity strats - notice the bar magnet underneath. also take note of the low tier electronics. i thought i'd been shafted.



however the tops have the same mould as the set i once bought off thom's cij strat



i then did some snooping and found out this is normal. here's a set from a cij fender from the same year (93-94)

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Loaded-1993-Relic-Left-Hand-Fender-Japan-Vintage-62-Strat-Stratocaster-Pickups-/261162275701?pt=Guitar_Accessories&hash=item3cce7c1375

i think i will change these at some point. they sound okay, but just a little brash.

i have no idea what's going on with this pickup selector screw. maybe the pickguard melted or something.



neck

of course, being a cij we all expect the neck to be amazing, and it is. quite deep but feels about as wide as a normal strat neck. they've done some trickery here to not stop your fingers bunching up at the nut. it is very easy to play, unlike rickenbackers which are broom handles, nor dano dc12s which are just on the wider side of being wonderful.

also take note - PRISTINE frets and nut. not a single sign of wear at all. most certainly vintage fret wire although i can't determine the radius, could be 7.25" if fret size is an indicator but feels slightly flatter.



one of my favourite part of the guitar is the headstock. check out that egregious string bar, those 12 darling klusons, and that neat compact design. it feels very nicely thought out and purposeful. the guitar is perfectly balanced with no neck dive as a result.



keen eyes might notice how thirsty that rosewood looks. i don't think it's been oiled in it's 20 years, though given the body and neck's utterly immaculate condition, i wouldn't be surprised if it's been sat in a case this whole time.

setup

in a word: garbage, on arrival. the classic 12 stringers mistake of whacking a set of 46-10s on it. this feels like chastisement and could be why youtube is gummed with people who sound like shit and can't actually play a 12 string. not only this, but the neck relief was unbelievable, as was the intonation (you won't believe it). whoever owned this guitar either a) liked pain and frustration, b) is a rookie, c) is impatient and gave up.

it is now strung with 40-8s. that's right, you heard me. the effect of two strings together makes them respond more like a set of 9s or 10s. in fact, i now exclusively string it up with 10 strings rather than 12. i've started to use only one B and top E because the chorus effect sounds like shit (these two strings are swapped for a higher gauge to stop the overly slinky feeling). this makes the guitar inifinitely more playable.

relief is set to a very small amount - almost straight. rough intonation has been done but that will be a weekend activity to get right. thankfully the condition of the frets will ensure a very nice setup. the bridge is one of those fully adjustable gotoh styles so i can get really nerdy with it.

sound

wonderful. the neck pickup is a little less inspiring than i'd have hoped but i think after a full setup it will come into its own. the real winners though are the quack positions. very detailed and glassy. the output seems to be quite boisterous. in fact i may just be boring and put alnico 3s in again. i don't like the affinity bar magnet association - call me a snob. the sound is serviceable for now at least.

basically imagine a 12 string strat and you're not too far off, but it has a flavour of it's own. slightly unpredictable with metallic shimmers and swirls coming out from all directions, yet still very focused and articulate.

i suppose the main question at this point is whether it feels like a £500 guitar or not. it's hard to say. the rarity of these things pushes it up there, and cijs are very good guitars, and it feel like a cij. when you bear in mind that it is one third of the price of a rickenbacker it most definitely seems worth it.

future aspirations
- full setup
- pickup change
- dpdt for neck and bridge
- wire bridge to tone pot (very strident pickup at the moment)
- NEW PICKGUARD

i thank you
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

awesome!
i remember these! and i swear i reemember seeing one in lpb, but it was long long long long time ago.
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, that pickguard is quite something Shocked

Aside from that though it looks ace!

Interesting what you said about only using 10 strings. I need to re-string my Venus XII so might give that a go.
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah the pickguard is rotten. i really want the gold on it more than anything.

with the 10 string method i recommend a set of these

http://www.gear4music.com/Guitar-and-Bass/Ernie-Ball-Slinky-2230-Nickel-Guitar-12-String-8-40/E5U

and replace the top B and E strings with a 12 and 9 gauge string respectively. very nice to play on.
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

robert(original) wrote:
i remember these! and i swear i reemember seeing one in lpb, but it was long long long long time ago.


+1 but in burgundy mist with matching headstock... Gaz Coombes of Supergrass had one before he got into Burns guitars, always wanted one from this one picture I had of his in a magazine as a kid. I saw one in a shop once soon after.



Is it possible that selector switch screw just has some old plastic film from the original pickguard when the guitar was new? I'm frequently finding bits of that shit jammed under knobs and switch screws on older guitars, and if it's not cleaned off in time it'd totally melt onto the thread in the right weather conditions/nasty kid hands.
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

its like some gummy epoxy resin stuff and the same colour as the guard, no idea. its not noticeable when screwed in though

i saw this burgundy mist available here http://stargoat.com/products/fender-stratocaster-xii-12-string-electric-guitar-made-in-japan-s-h?utm_source=google-product-search

but i never called them up so it may be an old listing. i just couldn't see myself with a burgundy mist strat. although i keep feeling that sunburst is too ubiquitous and dull.

anyway i just ordered a gold sparkle guard lol

will look like this:

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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I'm going to be in the minority of users who like the original ostentatious pickguard. Gold sparkle is cool too though.
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Holy shit, that pickguard. I think a flat gold looks best (although I think I've chimed in a little too late, haven't I?). Great guitar, though, and one that's bound to appreciate. Rose pickups do great handwound strat pickups to loads of different specs for tiny prices, too.
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

God almightly. It looks like they mashed up cats into a paste, dried it and cut pickguards from it.

That'll be lovely once it's lovely though. Congrats.
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent - looks like it will be a great guitar. And great detailed review too.
Like benecol, I like the flat gold best...but interested to the sparkle!!!
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

looks like very good project.

good heard it´s better than rickencrappo
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

George wrote:
yeah the pickguard is rotten. i really want the gold on it more than anything..


Blow my mind, fuckface (thursday, innit). I actually called that tort guard rotten out loud to no one and praised the gold guard similarly.
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trouble is I don't want to file down the original classic vibe gold guard, and flat gold Alu seems to be very expensive. the only other flat i can find is mirrored which is a big no no. The sparkle is a Tenner and will do for now
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congrats! Cool
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice! Congrats! That pickguard is the stuff of nightmares however.
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Awesome! Gold is great!
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rad town.

try to find pickguard color "parchment"

its not as green as mint, but not as whhhhite as white.

should be easy to find for strats. impossible for mustangs without one being cut for you
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

here's a blue one with matching headstock available locally here:
http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/msg/3776862654.html
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh hey, that stuff on the screw is most likely plumbers tape, i can almost garentee it actually.
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

robert(original) wrote:
oh hey, that stuff on the screw is most likely plumbers tape, i can almost garentee it actually.


Definitely PTFE tape.

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