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Short scale neck on a Jazzmaster: possibility or monstrosity

 
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 7:45 pm    Post subject: Short scale neck on a Jazzmaster: possibility or monstrosity Reply with quote

Hi, this is my first post, so please excuse whatever needs excusing. 1st mistake may be posting my question in wrong forum, but it's a hybrid topic: I was wondering if there are any obvious musical reasons to not try a 24" neck on a Jazzmaster. (By musical I'm including structural features that affect sound, e.g. bridge placement, angle of strings along the fretboard, etc.) My reasons for trying it : I'm not young (61), and trying chords far more complex than I ever tried b4. I have 2 jazz guitars, a Samick and a beautiful W.E. Moll I was given while occupied with cancer. They sound good and great, but after 2 years' struggling, I happened to borrow a Mustang and could form chords I'd been fighting, as well as move from chord to chord quick enough to not forget the melody while I shifted.
Now I have a Mustang, and can borrow a Jag. But I've wanted a JM since I was kid, & nowadays they're available in an array of forms; yet I want to stay w/ short -scale while trying to scale Mt. Wes M., etc. (Ballads, ballads.) Maybe this blend of interests seems freakish, but I've come to really like not only the short-scales themselves but also the whole funky mind-set[s] of the community that values them.
So, to sum up, I'm asking if there're any reasons I should leave the idea alone, and/or any suggestions about best ways to do it, i.e., which types of JMs seem better candidates, for whatever reason, and which necks, whether a stock Mustang or Jag, or a Warmoth, etc.. All I know I prefer in neck (aside from scale) is a maple board.
Many thanks, Luther
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The scale lengths are different, so yes, the bridge placement will throw off the intonation.

You're going to want a conversion neck.


Warmoth sells a 25.5" to 24.75" Conversion neck which gets you most of the way there to shortscale.

From what I understand, the newest models of Squier Jagmasters have 24" conversion necks on them, so you could effectively swap it with a strat/jazzmaster neck. Don't have first hand experience with that though, and there's some debate about it on other forums.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello luther, and welcome to the forum. Sadly, it's not possible to put a shortscale neck on a Jazzmaster body. But all is not lost: you could get a Jag body routed for JM pickups, have a custom guard made, and I know Musikraft will make a maple Jag neck. Keep us posted as to what you do, sounds a fun project.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

benecol wrote:
you could get a Jag body routed for JM pickups, have a custom guard made, and I know Musikraft will make a maple Jag neck. Keep us posted as to what you do, sounds a fun project.


James Shaw of Metric has JM pickups in his jaguar.



With a new pickguard with a three way switch, it might be an option.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As already noted there is only really 2 options:

1. Find a 24" conversion neck from a Jagmaster (Rosewood) or a Squier CV DuoSonic (Maple). Pros: Fairly simply swap and re-intonation I'd imagine. Cons: intonation will need to be reset. Are you cool with necks from cheaper guitars?..

2. As Benecol suggests, just drop in the JM pups into a Jag...which could involve extra routing, or go for one of these nifty (but expensive) bespoke pups designed for just this purpose:

http://curtisnovak.com/pickups/JMx-Jag.shtml





Pickguardian have made the pickguards to match. Maybe they could do one in a Jazzmaster style (i.e all controls are mounted).
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many thanks to you 3 for the welcoming advice, which I have to say was compelling. In reply I had typed a too-long reply which you were all spared by some glitch. In sum, I’ve cobbled together your hints into this plan: a Jag body with the bespoke Jazzmaster pickups; I’ll soon have a chance to play a Squier DuoSonic, to check out that (kind of) neck. By whatever luck, I’ve had no reason to look down on Squiers; my only Strat is an ’83 MIJ, and my other Squier is a 12-string Indonesian Tele after-“crafted” by an inspired tinker from somewhere in Pennsylvania (maple board, check!). Bless all us fools and Squiers. Thank you again.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dude, I know it's off topic, but I wanna see that 12 string tele!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Luther, be aware that the squire CV duo neck is a conversion neck - this means it converts a 25.5" scale guitar (like a Jazzy) into 24". Why they didn't build the squier duo as true 24" scale i don't know! The Jaguar is naturally a 24" scale guitar and therefore (I believe) a conversion neck wouldn't work - you'd actually need to source a 24" neck for it. I believe there are now squier Jaguars released with maple necks so you could look out for one of them and drop the Jazzy pups in, or possibly find a true fender Jag in maple neck. Or, as Benecol mentioned, there may be 3rd party neck makers that do a Jag neck in maple. Hope that isn't confusing! Don't hesitate to ask any and all questions. All I can say is that had you come here with the same question a few years back your options would have been far smaller!

Hope to see this develop into something awesome!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave, thanks for the "conversion" clarification. I see that in phrasing if not thought I was conflating some distinctions. I've priced (from Warmoth?) a 3rd party 24" Jag neck w/ maple fretboard, and while it's more expensive than I'd ever mention in family budget sessions I can dress down the cost by letting the Jag body sit neckless while I save up. (I know that hiding addictions & G.A.S. is a whole other topic. E.g., Cassandra Williams is funny on her father's axe-stashing around the apartment. Different site? Thread? Forum?) You're right too about the current range of choices, & I am grateful; but I keep being surprised by the weird assymetries in the Fender neck/board line-up present & past. You'd think that Fender owned all the maple in creation judging by Teles & Strats, yet maple boards can be v. rare or outright unknown in some contexts. So if you prefer maple boards like I do, you're made instead to "settle" & theref. pay for some kind of rosewood. Sorry, I'm topic-hopping again. Thanks, all.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PS: about the 12-string Tele-- if I can get permission from the mad after-crafter (there IS a genteel reclusive-moonshiner aura around him), I'll try to post some pics.
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