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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:42 pm    Post subject: i hate auto tuners Reply with quote

on vocals for the most part.

it's kinda the same feel as over compression on drums
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 8:17 pm    Post subject: Re: i hate auto tuners Reply with quote

gaybear wrote:
on vocals for the most part.

it's kinda the same feel as over compression on drums


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it seems to get rid of any of the, i dunno what to call em, "soul" notes?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://download.yousendit.com/92195CA732864C8B

we tried to use autotune on the ex-singer of my band, it wouldn't work because he's flat then sharp. Shocked

listen to the above and you'll know what I mean. Wink

nothing will help him. Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

haha, i actually don't mind the vocals too much on that. well, when he's not holding out notes. the louder and shorter his vocals are, the better. reminds me of old east bay stuff.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find it much easier to just sing in tune. Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gaybear wrote:
haha, i actually don't mind the vocals too much on that. well, when he's not holding out notes. the louder and shorter his vocals are, the better. reminds me of old east bay stuff.


thats what we were in the day...old east bay hardcore kids.

Yeah, he's a better hardcore singer, he can't hold a note for shit, but thats also due to all the years playing hardcore shows and practices without earplugs! All that solidstate distortion will kill your hearing! 100W heads and cabs! Shocked and I was made fun of because I wore earplugs and still do! I tell them I want to be able to hear what I sounded like back in the day when I'm old and grey. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aug wrote:
I find it much easier to just sing in tune. Laughing


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Auto-tune is one of my pop recording... I mean used to be one of my pop recording secrets until this thread. Not for keeping Harvey in tune, but for colorization. Cool

1. Double track your favorite Beach Boys' Ooo Laa Laa Laa line. Cross your fingers that it's relatively in tune.

2. Set auto tune for "auto"(as opposed to "graphic") at a slow correction rate, between 30-50.

3. Hard pan the Wilson bros Left and Right. sit back and enjoy.



What happens is that the two tracks will line up and you'll get a spectacular amount of harmonics ringing in all over the place, without sounding like a paranoid android. The key is slow correction that keeps both tone and attack somewhat human. The best thing you could do to a backing track, IMO. But CB is right. Technology can't help everyone.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats the kind of shit I NEVER think of. I usually just stumble onto new ways to make absurd noise.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"It kinda sounds like a robot dying."
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ultratwin wrote:
Auto-tune is one of my pop recording... I mean used to be one of my pop recording secrets until this thread. Not for keeping Harvey in tune, but for colorization. Cool

1. Double track your favorite Beach Boys' Ooo Laa Laa Laa line. Cross your fingers that it's relatively in tune.

2. Set auto tune for "auto"(as opposed to "graphic") at a slow correction rate, between 30-50.

3. Hard pan the Wilson bros Left and Right. sit back and enjoy.



What happens is that the two tracks will line up and you'll get a spectacular amount of harmonics ringing in all over the place, without sounding like a paranoid android. The key is slow correction that keeps both tone and attack somewhat human. The best thing you could do to a backing track, IMO. But CB is right. Technology can't help everyone.


your using it the way it should be used, not to fix a bad singer. Wink

although that was its intended idea as a software program was to fix sour notes i believe.

to fix an out of tune vocal you could just use a pitch shift and put the main vox in the middle, then send it to the pitchshift detuned and put it to the left of the main vocal, then send another to a pitch shift sharp and put it right of the main vox and it will hide the sour notes a bit too. Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

auto-tune is bad. i prefer to get the notes myself, but if there's a time-crunch during mixing, a slide here or there doesn't offend me tooooo much.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've used the waves Tune LT to detune a backup vocal--take it down a couple of octaves. It's cool for that type of stuff.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

that's kinda cool. if you take it down octaves does it affect speed?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nope.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's what all the rappers seem to really like nowadays - that pitch changer that doesn't mess with speed. I have to listen to my friend's raps music and i've been hearing that a lot recently.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aen wrote:
Thats the kind of shit I NEVER think of. I usually just stumble onto new ways to make absurd noise.


theshadowofseattle wrote:
"It kinda sounds like a robot dying."
"THAT'S THE NEW ALBUM THEN, MAN!"


Sounds like the way I write/record. Today I was screaming into a guitar pickup instead of using a microphone. Really freaky sounding vocals.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SpectralJulian wrote:
aen wrote:
Thats the kind of shit I NEVER think of. I usually just stumble onto new ways to make absurd noise.


theshadowofseattle wrote:
"It kinda sounds like a robot dying."
"THAT'S THE NEW ALBUM THEN, MAN!"


Sounds like the way I write/record. Today I was screaming into a guitar pickup instead of using a microphone. Really freaky sounding vocals.


I recorded rums through the bridge PU in my telecaster, and put that shit through a ring mod and a big muff.
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